steve, what do you tell your kleins to invest? >> key point is get the 3 to 5 year pervue, 20 to 30 years for most, it is important to look at three nobel prize winner phd's in economic save thees just 3 week ago they talked about personal investing, they said most people do not take that longer pervue, at least 3 to 5 years. gerri: question mutual funds or etms. >> i like etfs the best but don't count mutual funds out. gerri: scott? everyone loves the etf's no everyone is worried they are over trading them. >> i am sure they are over trading them, that is what we do as humans. but i love etfs, this is about time, looking at mutual funds what is happening. he is right, there are some low load versions that there is not a big barrier as far as cost to en true -- intry, but now the mutual fund companies have gotten creegotten creative, theu on the way out instead of the way in. >> jamie, do you agree? are the fees out of control? >> well first of all there is two major points could who that all etfs are not created equally, equity h